One of our fellow velamaite Shiva has given a great analysation about our velamas and how the rebirth has happened and how reddys kammas came into existence. First of all A great Applaud to Shiva for this analysis and hands down this is one of the best analysis that should go online. So bringing from comment section to Post section. Once again Hats Off Shiva. Keep the spirit up. Here you go, the following is the Shiva's post.
"Velamas two types okaru padmanayaka velama second one adhi velama varu.
adhi velamavaru "veru gunachakali" ani perundhi veru only velamavariki vallaki weaving cloths nesevaru. Adhi velamavari and inka padmanayaka velama veru.
Starting lo Velamas kings warriours and soliders-ividhamuga velama samrajyam naduputhunnaru taruvatha rajyam anni eppudaithe poyayo appatinunchi evariki vallu videpoeee taruvatha lands ni occupie chesukoni british samrajyam lo zamindharuluga (kings )unnavallu settle ayyepoyaru
Aithe warriours,soilders ane velama varu vyvasayam(farming) chesukonevaru. evidhamuga velamavaru royals Gosha paddathini rachakutumbam nunchi patisttu unnaru.Varu rajyalu poyena vari paddatulu maintain chesevaru.
Megatha padmanayaka velamavaru ante warriours ga soliduers ga unnavaru agriculture chesukuntu unna nepadyamalo konthamandhi velama varu uttarandhra nunchi nadhi tera pranthamku valasa ga velli akkada agriculture chesukoni bathuku tunnaru alage vellina varilo gosha paddathiki swasthi cheppi memu gosha paddathi main tain cheyyammu ani, thati kamma medha megatha velama varitho oppandham kudhuruchukoni nadee(river) tera pranthamlhaiuku valasa vellipoyaru.
Thaati kamma medha agreement kudhurchukovadam valla atttii velamavaru kamma varuga ayyaaru.
Adhe vidhamuga reddy title kaligina reddy caste varu kuda poursham to videpoyyee swathanthruluga veligaru. Veru velamavaru avvadam valane veeriki aa matram daring aina vachindhi kani net lalo veru kaapulu nunchi videpoyaru ani anataru kani that is not correct.
In my analisation,because kapulu mentaltiki veriki ponthana undadhu veru velamavaru kabatte pourshavanthulu. Alage manchi tanamu veriki velamavariki daggaragane coinside avuthai. So veeru orgin velama vallanunchi vachindhi.
Veru basic ga rajula kalam taruvatha tax collectors ga ,alage grama peddalaga vyavaharinchevaru. so veeriki appatlo reddy title ivvadam ayyendhi. eppudayathe velama nunchi videpoyaro verru appatanucnchi reddy title nu alage reddy surnames base chesukoni reddy csatega records lo ki namodhu cheyyadam ayyendhi. ikkada reddy, kamma ni vari surnames gothralu padmanayaka velamanunchi vidagotadum jarigindhi so padmanayaka velamas royals gane untunnaru.
Ippatiki varu gosha paddatini konni families lo maintain chesthunnaru. So vari surnames, gotharalu diferent ga unnai.
kani ekkada meku present velama varilo oc, bc lu ane varu unnaru kani oc padmanayaka and adhi velamavaru ayithe, bc vachhi koppula velama, polinati velama varu bc category lo unnaru kanni ikkada mukhyamuga cheppavalasinadhi emitante eee koppala velama varu, koppula ane title reservation erapatu cheyyadaniki etitle nu upayogincharu.
Anthakamundhu veru velamavaru(padmanayaka) veru warriors,soldiers ga unnaru rajyalu unna time lo veru taruvatha kamma variki malle veru bayatiki vachharu kani veru nadee(river)terrapranthalaki vellakunda orginal place lone untu padmanayka nunchi videpoyye uttarndhralone agriculture chesukunevaru kani veri timelo pantalu pandakavarshalu padaka akkada unna lands ammukoni konthamandhi nadee (river)teera pranthaluku valasa ravadam ayyendhi.
Before indepedence padmanyaka velama la untu economicalga week avvadam valana after indepedence veru reservation erpatu chesukonadaniki veru padmanayaka nunchi vidipoyi koppu ane title pettukoni veru reservation availability chesukunnaru.Appatlo magavallu padamanayaka velamaslo koppu anedhi vesukunevaru.
So aa koppu veeru divide cheyyadaniki veru padmanayaka title upyogincha kunda koppu nu title ga pettukuni veru reservation 1972 lo applichesaru. Jalagam vengala rao period lo (cm) veru reservation pondharu. so veru in olden days lo padmanayaka velamaga unna ippudu matram koppu ane title nu erpatu chesukoni koppula velamasga bc lo konasaguthunnaru.
veru padmanayaka velama surnames nunchi verukuda kammas, reedys laga verayi surnames vidagotadam ayyindhi. so appatlo padmanayaka velma layena kammas,reddys,koppala velamas. Veri surnames entirely different to padmanayaka velamas, kani evarithe divide ayyaro varu kamma,reddy,koppala titleunna velamavaru surnames almost all maximum 40%to 50% surnames eee koppala velamavari surnames tho match avuthunnai verfied all people .
nenu ekkada goppalu gurnchi cheppatam ledhu kevalam velama varu inni caste lu ga vidipoyaru anedhi na analization tho cheppadam ayyindhi.mere observe cheyyandi nadhi almost all correct ledhu ani cheppagaligithe meru next comment raise cheyyavachhu. this my dare analisation ."
thank you for that wonderful posting on velmas, however, i would appreciate if someone can rewrite in telugu. it will be easy to read and understand.
ReplyDeletepls use http://www.google.com/transliterate and select telugu, type your telugu word in english and space, it will automatically convert to telugu, eg. velama will become వెలమ
Hai This is Bhargav from Nuzvid. it is very very nice history and its really amazing truths.. I am great full to you Mr.Siva
ReplyDeletethis is really amazing...we r all very thankfull to you..giving us gr8 information on velamas....
ReplyDeleteds analysis is a great combo of historical facts nd fantasical imagination.i myt agree wd brothr shiva on da origin of alll da foresaid castes xcept da REDDYS who r our TRADITIONAL ENEMIES
ReplyDeleteif i m 2 raise a doubt on any matr it is ds
And in the end i applaude brother shiva for his highly commendable work
sorry 2 say but as a true velama i m feelng sad fr our performance
ReplyDeleteV r still banking on our history,trailing bhynd in da current comoetition even with many smallerr castes, its hy tym v wake up................
andariki vandananmulu,
ReplyDeletecharitra chala bagunnadi.manam (Velama)okkatati paina vachinappude manam vijayamulam avutamu.meluko doralara meluko.jai velama, jai velama.
ramana
wonderfull brother velsamas gurunchi baga chepavuu
ReplyDeletenenu kuda velama adivelama
but velamas r origin from kammas kada
Please read this article about Telugus in Malaysia. Most of telugus living in Malaysia are from Uttarandhra who left for greener pastures during 1895-1950. Please read this article who made great strides in all fields with in three generations in a foreign land.
ReplyDeletehttp://appannanaiduadari.blogspot.com/2009/07/five-generations-of-telugus-in-malaysia.html
Please read this blog which has evidence of connection between padmanayaka and all other velama sects under paragarpgh of NAYAK/VELAMA PERIOD 1325 AD to 1450 AD.
ReplyDeleteI am quoting the paragragh below:
"NAYAK/VELAMA PERIOD 1325 AD to 1450 AD: During this period kammas lived as Farmers / Jargirdars. During this period they fought in favor of Rajus against Velamas at Jallipalli fort. Inspite of Kamma Jagirdars help Rajus were defeated by Velamas. 90% of Telangana Rajus were killed by Velamas in that war and after that Rajus rule ended in Telangana. The stories written about Jallipalli war were describing the presence of some kamma jagirdars in Khammam and Warangal districts during that period. Lacs of Velamas migrated to Coastal Andhra & Uttarandhra between 1650 and 1800 due to some political reasons. You can find 30 lacs velamas now in Srikakulam, Vizianagaram, Vishakapatnam, E.Godavari, W. Godavari, Nellore, Chittore Districts of Andhra Area."
http://telanganakakatammasena.blogspot.com/
Some addtional comments to above posting. As per this blog i.e. http://telanganakakatammasena.blogspot.com/, 30 lakh velmaas migrated from Telangana to Coastal Andhra & Uttarandhra between 1650 and 1800. The padmanayaka velama population in Uttandhra and coastal andhra does not exceed one lakh as per my knowldege. The thirty lakh velamas the author in the blogger is talking about includes koppula, polinati and adi velamas. If you put together all velama sects in Uttarandhra and coastal andhra account to thirty lakhs.
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ReplyDeleteThis is a nonsense. What a joke this fellow is claiming that Reddys came from Velamas. It is a big joke. Dont write this kind of nonsense
ReplyDeleteOnce go to YouTube and watch garikapati video on all castes if you can blame that he is wrong you can blame....no problems
DeleteHello,Iam ShivaRamaKrishnaRao(president:Velama youth association,123devision,kukatpally)velama ante:powrusham/velama ante:anubhandam/velama ante:helping/velama ante:mosapovatam/velama ante:x cm(jalagam vengal rao)to daily labour s/velama ante:sneham/velama ante:pranam/velama ante:Tyagam/Finalga this is really Wonderfull VELAMAS history....th q..
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ReplyDeletehi bro thank you to giving information about VELAMAS
ReplyDeleteHi.......Thanks for giving valuable information
ReplyDeleteHey bro what about polinati velama.......? I didn't get complete information about polinati velama.......
ReplyDeleteBoss please don't try to criticize other castes.I am velama too and i am member of AP and USA velama meets.Our intention mustn't be to mock others and hurt other castes.Watz this article no proof dude Gaali maatalaaga unnayyi.Evaro pillalu cinema story laaga undhi just imagine other caste ppl chadivithe manalni entha tittikuntaaroo asahyaminchu kuntaroo.There is saying If a velama good whole village will be good we have helping nature in blood.Please dont put this useless,not reference article we are born from Brahmanaidu and every caste has their own history please delete this shit article,Ganesh velama nenu orkut velama community admin ni i think we talked before please delete it.Kamma caste ni andaru tittukuntaruu endukante they hurt others.Please dont go 2 their level
ReplyDeleteWhat he said is absolutely r8 you can watch a video of garikapati in YouTube dear
Deletewe are not born from brahmanaidu. brahmanaidu itself from padmanayaka clan belonging to recharla gotram read velugotivari vamsavali.
Deletetanx 4 gvn such gr8 information about velamas.... upto nw i didnt knw d gr8nes of our caste.. bcz of u i knew d gr8ness of our caste. jai velama.. naiduss vardhillali...
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ReplyDeleteinteresting article ..but in what basis ur saying
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ReplyDeleteHai shiva tqu for giving information about velamas. Iam also polinati velamaite, ur analysis nammasakyamuga ledu .koppula velam surnames lo ekkuvaga reddy ane suffex undadam valana meeku ala anipinchavachu . History ni gamaniste kakatiya samrajya patanam taruvata chala velama swatantra rajyalu erpaddayi aa kramamulo erpadinde bobbili port. Ede latest port. Kani balapadaka munde apada vachindi. Adi padmanayaka velamaladi. Kani costha prantamulo velamalu cholula kalamu nunde unnaru. Poorvam pedda sankyalo prajalu yuddalu prakrutiyaiparityala valana valasa poyevaru. Kakatiya rudradevudi kalamulo palnadu yuddam jarigindhi. Recharla Brahmanaidu aa rojulalo antaranithananiki kula vyavastaku vyatirekanga poradaru. Adi chala goppa vishayamu. Kani ade manapalita satruvu ayindi. Adi konthamandhoki nachaka palnadu yuddam jarigindhi.ee yuddam taruvata brahmanaidu anucharulu toorpu prantalaku valasa povalasi vachindhi. Veerilo annivargaluvaru vunnaru ante velama reddy kapu. Veerilo vare koppula, polinati velama varigastirapaddaru. Basicga velama okkate. Vivoda prantalaku vellipovadamuvalana ala perlu marayi. Uttarandra chala karuvu prantamu kavadam valana manamu kramanga economically venakapaddam. Alahe brahmanaidu prabavam valana aacharyalalo padmavelamalaku manaku variation vachindhi. maa poorvikulu konthamandi palanadu nundi vachamani cheputuntaru. Palanadu(guntur, prakasam) lo ippudu mana velamavaru chala thakkuvaga undadaniki karanam ade.
ReplyDeleteThanq bro such a wonderful information.
ReplyDeleteMeeru vunnade thakkuva ilage thappudu rathalu rasthe evaru migalaru
ReplyDeleteHey I don't know who Ur just be in Ur limits and one thing quantity never matters quality matter.
DeleteIt's nice to know about our history but if you post this kind of articles do them with perfect reference and proofs and above all we are humans not a caste idiots take the positivity in the history of our blood but not that head strong feelings.
ReplyDeleteHi this is pratap pothapragada and I am a vela man please add it to the list
ReplyDeleteguys in the above surnames both padmanayaka velams, koppula velam and adivela surnames are mixed
ReplyDeletethis is only for padmanayaka velamas surname have to be mentione
others please avoid and dont mix koppula velama and adi velama surnames in this website requesting everybody
thank you
It's a very good information about velama history, but can you please tell me how did you found this information from?
ReplyDeletemy great grandpa's and his elderson's diaries and writings of 1927...many thanks for the concern
ReplyDeleteIt's really awesome
ReplyDeleteVelamas means adi velama mudaliar (dora in telugu )+ padmanayaka velama dora + palanati velama dora (polinati as in british records ) these 3 velamas are same set who are known as saiva vellalars caste the main tribe of chola empire in tamilnadu and these are brown in color and tall broad shoulders with fertile mind never take help from others or cunning or wicked, they always give others their hard work and establishments and construct forts,temples,town,tanks also developed agriculture by digging big tanks near agriculture fields and temples these cholas are feudatories of once pandya kingdom and vellalars are caste wise masters in doing wars as they are warrior clan so they met many wars with many dynasties after down fall of pandya ,pallava empire vellalars came with tittle great cholas who later expanded their kingdom from malaysia,jakarta,Cambodia,indonesia,thailand, south asian countries in short time not only that but expanded up to Ganges plain of north india kasi, ayodhya ,patalipura Patna bihar Bengal ,orissa they invented construction of dams across rivers , tax system , tanks near villages mainly temples like famous UNESCO brihadeeswara temples in many places in tamilnadu we can see them temples etc but at that time many other communities like balija ,telaga ,ontari,,kayastha,golla,kurumi,uppara,vellapukapu , koppula naikas from mysuru(there we can see names koppal town,,koppu nadu in many parts of )karnataka whose profession is to protect king and kingdom famously called as anga rakshaka and koppals in telugu are koppula kapu soldiers who is different and unique caste who did their work in( kalachuris , hoyasala , suena yadava kingdoms) b👍efore 1000 years ago at that time Sanskrit was language no andra,telangana,karnataka,tamilnadu states only dravidanadu these koppal soldiers are usually ride horse brilliant ly known as routhu ( means master of horse doing wars) other names like adi reddi, gangi reddi, suffix reddi came due because of the reason that ,,at that time they got enam bhumulu like paradesipalem etc as gift of villages to koppals for their bravery in wars by emperors like cholas, hoyasala, chalukyas to koppals to rule villages and to pay tax of agriculture lands to kings so they became heads of villages and became reddi means head of village in dravidanadu,,, they are close to rayalaseema region of karnataka (example at that time and singireddi is Greatman of family so they kept singireddi as surname like that koppals of karnataka migrated with great vellalars (cholas) to telugu lands came to known as koppula kapu or koppula velama so vellalars are different and koppals are different but they worked under them and supported them in every war of vellalars like kattappa to bahubali mahismatiti kingdom here is tanjavoor chola kingdom of vellalar) so koppal in kannada is koppula in telugu i can prove this as surnames are relevant to soldiers profession and they lives in palems , palem means village gifted to soldiers palli means town like anakapalli and paradesipalem in parawada so koppulavelamas worships paradesammathalli in visakhapatnam district as kula devam so here logic is paradesammathalli is (migrated from karnataka to andra here meaning para is out ,desam is state,, talli is bhoomi,, if we combine all we get as we migrated from karnataka ) we should also remember that kapu is not single caste it is combination of different castes like toorpukapu, balija kapu, dasari, vellapukapu, ontari etc kapu means kapala kase varu or farmer ( one who is security to land and kingdom as well as farmers) but later they went to business like selling vegetables,fish etc in markets known as balija so here is koppulavelamas history
ReplyDeleteAny one who comment on history should do research scientifically on subject not caste . 1000 years before there were no caste system ,,only gotra system is there casts came into existence after kakatiya rudra deva 1 at that time vellalars the gelavadu cholas are with capital velugodu and came into existence as recharlareddies of amanagallu later built khammam killa by velamareddi 1130 later again after Vaishnava bhakti moment by ramanujaacharyas disciples propagation recharlareddies of saivavellalars they beca
ReplyDeleteMe converted from Saivavellalars to Vaishnava velamas in telugu religion and adopted rama god ,sun god as kula devam transformed into recharlareddies velamas
Sorry velanadu durjaya cholas with velugodu capital they after called as recharlareddies who are actually a saiva vellalars of tamilnadu later went Vaishnava bhakti moment tuned as velamas nayudu or nayanis
DeleteSorry velanadu durjaya cholas with velugodu capital they after called as recharlareddies who are actually a saiva vellalars of tamilnadu later went Vaishnava bhakti moment tuned as velamas nayudu or nayanis
DeleteAny one who comment on history should do research scientifically on subject not caste . 1000 years before there were no caste system ,,only gotra system is there casts came into existence after kakatiya rudra deva 1 at that time vellalars the gelavadu cholas are with capital velugodu and came into existence as recharlareddies of amanagallu later built khammam killa by velamareddi 1130 later again after Vaishnava bhakti moment by ramanujaacharyas disciples propagation recharlareddies of saivavellalars they beca
ReplyDeleteMe converted from Saivavellalars to Vaishnava velamas in telugu religion and adopted rama god ,sun god as kula devam transformed into recharlareddies velamas
velamas (padmanayaka , polinativelama,adi velama )? These velamas are cholas known brave warriors known for honesty and main tribe of Indus civilization and worked under pandya kingdom ,, these are surya vamsi Kshatriya's but in tamilnadu no caste system so they are nayakas in dravidanadu who trains soldiers for kingdom and do wars and develops country and termed as first rank citizens by raja raja chola in his inscription of Thanjavur whose gothras are kasyapa gottam and nageswara gottam same for komati arya vysyas and vellatla brahmins of tamilnadu migrated to present andhrapradesh with velamas here nageswara gottam means area that is (Coimbatore,nagercoil between region tribe ) saiva vellalars who occupied kasi viswanath temple of uttara pradesh from from Thanjavur of south india after satavahanas defeated chalukyas and got known as title to vellalars as gangeya other word is( ganga nu jayinchina vaaru one who got victory over ganga river for tax collection up to kanya kumari of india) other word is exactly to it is padmanayaka vellalar dhurai or mudaliars of tamil are in telugu is padmanayaka velama dhoralu who later occupied godavari ,krishna river in war with chalukyas empire and settled near guntur_ prakasam- kurnool region as velanaadu cholulu the powerful set of entire cholas with velugodu as capital city settled in andra as telugu cholulu and andra brahmins called them with new word velamalu that is one who came from tamilnadu other country mentioned same in books with new word velama as outsider but reality is vellalar is velama as per caste wise collect tax from chalukyas as they get defeated
ReplyDeletePart 3. These velamas are also durjaya vamsam means no defeat to their empire but later in tamilnadu pandya and pallava became union and made war against cholas and defeated them and their towns in tanjavoor in 11 century so many vellalars died in that war but they did not made pandya-pallavas to win completely but in andra pradesh telugu vellalars went war with Thanjavur cholas but defeated so again came back to velugodu (near palnadu) became weak as chola empire lost war against pandya and their relatives ,country ,dynasty so with no option they went to support hyheyas and kakatiyyas as ministers done many wars with muslims of delhisulthanate of delhi for warangal but due to pakanati reddies rebelled to do war in favour of pratap rudra of kakatiyyas king the empire get defeated later many wars with velamas and reddies and Kshatriya's in jallipalli , happened velamas get victory over reddies and pusapati madhava varma killed by velamas new history in andhra telangana with recharla(rachakonda) as capital ruled 175 years unanimously from telangana (1310--1475) recharla rudra the monster of ganapathi deva built ramappa temple in warangal which is UNESCO and pillala marri temple ,in nalgonda ,,ganap uram temple in warangal ,,khammam killa ,bhuvana giri kota,,,rama giri kota,manavallu kota,,amanagallu kota,,devarakonda kota,,,rachakonda kota,,,elagan dula kota,,,ayina voli temple,,,,,umamaheswaram,,,,gandari maisamma killa in adilabad kovelaika konda killa,. Jataprolu killa of telangana out of these rama giri kota is biggest of south india ,,na rasara opeta,,kakinada,,bobbili,,,nuziveedu,, venkata giri,,,pitapuram,,?Anna warm temple,,dwaraa tirumala temple,, ko tappakunda,,mangalagiri,,mirjapuram,,kasi mkota,,,,samarlakota,, eluru,,vijayawada jamindars in ap
ReplyDeleteThere are different kind of cholas but only velanadu cholas are velamas,,rest konden cholas ,panagallu cholas,,nellore manumasiddi chala are different these r different tribes later found to be other castes in later 11 century,,, in cholas pandya war so many vellalars died later after only telugu velanadu cholas survived due to they are andra but after kakatiya prataparuda 2 time they led war with delhi sultan and so many died due to lack of support from pakanati reddies in war lead to decline of kakatiya kingdom later many velamas died in war which became threat to our community so from then our community became less in number population compared with other caste like kamma,kapu,reddies. Secondly the division kamma from velamas during prataparuda time or jallu palli war became worse and least population so they adopted koppula kapu as koppulavelamas as they survived as solders to us from long ago they later migrated to bobbili,pitapura,eluru etc,also the vellapukapu caste submerged as velamas kapu in coastal andra
ReplyDeleteReference aravadam prataparuda andhrula sanchika charitra,,and blogs of vellalar community and wiki and👍👍👍👍self research from telangana scholars of history department
ReplyDeleteReference aravadam prataparuda andhrula sanchika charitra,,and blogs of vellalar community and wiki and👍👍👍👍self research from telangana scholars of history department
ReplyDeleteThere are different kind of cholas but only velanadu cholas are velamas,,rest konden cholas ,panagallu cholas,,nellore manumasiddi chala are different these r different tribes later found to be other castes in later 11 century,,, in cholas pandya war so many vellalars died later after only telugu velanadu cholas survived due to they are andra but after kakatiya prataparuda 2 time they led war with delhi sultan and so many died due to lack of support from pakanati reddies in war lead to decline of kakatiya kingdom later many velamas died in war which became threat to our community so from then our community became less in number population compared with other caste like kamma,kapu,reddies. Secondly the division kamma from velamas during prataparuda time or jallu palli war became worse and least population so they adopted koppula kapu as koppulavelamas as they survived as solders to us from long ago they later migrated to bobbili,pitapura,eluru etc,also the vellapukapu caste submerged as velamas kapu in coastal andra
ReplyDeletevelanadu cholas are raju kshatiyas.... velams,panta kapu(reddys) kammas pakanati kapu came from main brance of kapu....
Deleterajus r kings in some places but not in velanadu why all other castes looting our histories?
DeleteReally amazing bro thank u so much
ReplyDeleteVelama aunte=neethi,nejayathi,powersham,dare e Vanni Velma Valla lakshnalu, ivanni prathi velamavarilonu untai , so every Velma is united us
ReplyDeleteK sriramulu naidu (mayor) native ?
ReplyDeleteIam velama community add my surname and gothram we are belongs to nalgonda district SURNAME:MADGULA GOTHRAM:ARAVELLI
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